tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8148461224473220694.post4620381175990971084..comments2024-03-27T06:03:35.695-04:00Comments on Brodeur is a Fraud: Winning Means the Rest Doesn't CountThe Contrarian Goaltenderhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03433370306939690205noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8148461224473220694.post-58869928672331991102024-01-10T05:09:17.679-05:002024-01-10T05:09:17.679-05:00Good reading this ppostGood reading this ppostDuygu Massolhttps://duygumassol.tumblr.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8148461224473220694.post-37876812440628850022009-10-08T21:16:50.201-04:002009-10-08T21:16:50.201-04:00Maybe it's just me, but I think of Joseph as t...Maybe it's just me, but I think of Joseph as the goalie that upset Dallas and Colorado in 1997 and 1998, respectively.<br /><br /><br />Roy did have some bad playoffs, as do all goalies, but you're exaggerating it a bit when you factor the negative factors into the whole equation from which people have declared him to be a "winner." Looking at the six best goalies of his era (Roy, Hasek, Brodeur, Belfour, Joseph, and Osgood), even when you weigh his playoff blowups against his triumphs, he still looks better than his peers.<br /><br />Of the six, only Roy saw his winning percentage (as calculated by pre-1983 standards) jump up in the playoffs. He goes from a .612 to a .616 (Hasek from a .601 to a .570, Brodeur from a .599 to a .557, Belfour from a .582 to a .564, Joseph from a .548 to a .488, Osgood from a .612 to a .602).<br /><br />He's also the only one to have his odds of winning a game in the playoffs increase when the game goes to overtime. Roy's winning percentage jumps from .616 to .690 (Hasek goes from .570 to .517, Brodeur from .557 to .375, Belfour to .564 to .524, Joseph from .488 to .464, Osgood from .602 to .400).<br /><br />It's not just memories that support Patrick Roy's reputation. For him to be the only elite goaltender of his generation to have his winning percentage increase both from the regular season to the playoffs and from regulation in the playoffs to overtime (especially when he has the largest sample size in both categories), he would either have to have been on teams that stepped up their game to monumental levels in the years he did not win the Cup relative to everyone else's teams (because the 1986 Montreal Canadiens had horrible playoff offense- there are articles in Sports Illustrated acknowledging this, the 1993 Montreal Canadiens stayed consistent to their regular season offense, and both Avalanche championship teams underperformed offensively), or the good times in his playoff career were so good that they more than outweigh the bad parts.<br /><br />It should also be noted that the Canadiens won four straight games against the Bruins with Roy in net in 1987. He only got to play a single game against Quebec before losing his starting job to an equally strong regular season goalie that year in Hayward. In 1988, he won three straight games against Hartford, lost one, and then Hayward took his job again. Both years, he lost the starting job after a SINGLE loss. They wouldn't even let him play every game in the opening round of 1989, and he was undefeated and coming off of a statistically dominant regular season in which he seemingly didn't lose at home.<br /><br />Montreal did not put faith in Roy until Hayward lost his single start against Boston in 1989 (Roy won all four starts against the Bruins that year). If 1987 and 1988 are the big valleys in Roy's career, some of the blame has to be placed on the coaches for waiting for Hayward to drop the ball completely in order for Roy to be the number one goalie, because they had such a yank-first/questions-later mentality, he never got to establish a rhythm.quoipourquoinoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8148461224473220694.post-50953053877040627172009-10-05T21:02:29.710-04:002009-10-05T21:02:29.710-04:00I agree with you that he's fairly overrated, b...I agree with you that he's fairly overrated, but Cam Ward deserves respect for holding it all together and not having a rookie meltdown when it mattered most (Price, Bryzgalov, Emery, etc. all did). Yeah, he had a great team in front of him in the '06 playoffs, but he deserves some credit.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8148461224473220694.post-87027976154470225042009-10-05T17:52:24.404-04:002009-10-05T17:52:24.404-04:00This post was actually about Cam Ward, and never m...This post was actually about Cam Ward, and never mentioned Roberto Luongo. And it boggles my mind how anybody could consider Luongo more overrated than Ward. I'll agree with you about Nabokov, though, of course.The Contrarian Goaltenderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03433370306939690205noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8148461224473220694.post-5504712422711216912009-10-05T17:25:50.961-04:002009-10-05T17:25:50.961-04:00give it up. yet another subverted attempt to defen...give it up. yet another subverted attempt to defend the most overrated goalie in the game outside nabakov and lundqvst, roberto luongoAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com