tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8148461224473220694.post9188932938117942194..comments2024-03-27T06:03:35.695-04:00Comments on Brodeur is a Fraud: ES Save % While TiedThe Contrarian Goaltenderhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03433370306939690205noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8148461224473220694.post-40069062126660643632022-08-14T08:05:24.297-04:002022-08-14T08:05:24.297-04:00air jordan
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It may be so, but the data presented at mc79hockey.com and by Vic aren't sufficient to prove this.<BR/><BR/>Suppose teams play to the score. Specifically, suppose that a team that is trailing will take more shots than the team that is leading. If this is the case, some of the outshooting teams will be outshooting teams only because they have previously allowed goals in the game. When looking at the whole game, the outshooting team will have the lower SV% and shooting% because of this, even if both teams had the same shot quality after the lead was taken. IOW, poor shooting% and SV% is a <B>cause</B> of outshooting, and not an effect. It's a selection bias issue.<BR/><BR/>It may also be true that teams that outshoot their opponent while leading and trailing tend to take low-quality shots, as you say. <BR/><BR/>The relationship between outshooting and shooting/SV% may be because of the selection bias issue. It may be a genuine relationship only when teams are leading or trailing. It may also be some combination of the two. However, without further analysis (such as Vic running the numbers for leading teams and trailing teams) it's impossible to tell which it is. As a result, I don't think we can't really draw any conclusions about shot difficulty for goaltenders on teams that outshoot or get outshot yet.overpasshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05106889069832791092noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8148461224473220694.post-13426954824118295512008-11-17T16:00:00.000-05:002008-11-17T16:00:00.000-05:00Huh? The way I understand the recent findings is t...Huh? The way I understand the recent findings is this:<BR/><BR/>When a team outshoots their opponent at even strength, their own S% and SV% are negatively impacted. However, when a team outshoots their opponent at even strength in a tie game, their S% and SV% are not negatively impacted.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8148461224473220694.post-15484143186282073582008-11-17T01:07:00.000-05:002008-11-17T01:07:00.000-05:00You're right, I shouldn't have included scoring pe...You're right, I shouldn't have included scoring percentages in that statement. I am expecting some differential between leading/trailing in terms of SV%, but we still need to analyze the data to be sure.The Contrarian Goaltenderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03433370306939690205noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8148461224473220694.post-53121830587003018352008-11-15T18:36:00.000-05:002008-11-15T18:36:00.000-05:00The key takeaway is that teams play to the score, ...<I>The key takeaway is that teams play to the score, and in-game tactics appear to have a large effect on both outshooting and scoring percentages.</I><BR/><BR/>I read those discussions, and I don't see where in-game tactics were found to have an effect on scoring percentages.<BR/><BR/>There has been no causal relationship found between outshooting or playing to the score and SV% in those threads, as far as I can tell. The only relationship found was between outshooting and playing to the score. This was making it appear as if there was a relationship between outshooting and SV%, but that was found to be an effect rather than a cause.<BR/><BR/>Further comparison of SV% while tied to SV% while leading or trailing might reveal a relationship between playing to the score and SV%, and I'd be very interested in seeing that comparison. Without any evidence of such a relationship, however, I think you are just reducing your sample size for analysis. I'm not sure you are gaining anything by analyzing ES SV% while tied as opposed to all ES SV%.overpasshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05106889069832791092noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8148461224473220694.post-60286985840062622772008-11-15T03:48:00.000-05:002008-11-15T03:48:00.000-05:00just the tip of the iceberg i would assume. i'd li...just the tip of the iceberg i would assume. i'd like to see the follow ups for save % when ahead, and when behind. my guess is particularly with brodeur (who has an excellent save % when the game is tied) also excels when his team has the lead. contrarily i can see his numbers being a lot more average when his team is trailing, for obvious reasons.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com